Time for talking is about over. History
is not made by long-winded debates. It's all about love for our race, and love for
our people, and the advancement of our race, and the advancement of our people. And be proud of my children.
Males between the
age of 17 to 25 don't have anything steady in their life. Some of these
people are just out there playing dress-up with real-life consequences.
I'm not in any of these groups or anything. I'm just a mother who loves her son.
I can't work with a f------ n-----.
They irritate the s--- out of me. That's who changes history.
But you also had very fine people on both sides. Do you think that what you call the "alt-left" is the same as neo-Nazi? I've condemned neo-Nazis, but not all of
those people were neo-Nazis, believe me.
The Unite the Right rally on August 12, 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia, turned violent and left the nation divided.
After the hate rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, a video went
viral showing the beating of a counterprotester named DeAndre Harris.
Jacob Scott Goodwin was identified online and arrested, charged with unlawful wounding,
a felony that could carry up to 20 years in prison.
I met Jacob's family in the aftermath of the rally.
They fiercely deny the charges and say that Jacob was defending a fellow white
nationalist. His parents are poised on the edges of the movement that Jacob has
joined. Let me just remind you, anything that's recorded can be used in any kind
of a trial, OK? Any kind of litigation, so just keep that in mind, OK?
I'm very, I'm very happy that God gave you to me and not somebody else.
I'm glad
that you're my son, not somebody else's son. I love you with all my heart, J.
It's gonna be all right, son. It's gonna be OK. Photos and videos showed at least six
white supremacists punching, kicking, and beating Harris.
Calling me N-word,
telling me I'm not supposed to be here, telling me to die. I'll see you soon. Alright, girls, girls. Let's go, let's go for it!
You better hurry, they're gonna get it! He's just a political prisoner.
And I couldn't be more proud. He said, "Mom,
this white man was getting beat up." And I. Said, "Oh my God, what did y'all do?" He said,
"We retaliated, we couldn't let him get beat up." He just didn't stand there, and I
didn't raise him to stand there and just watch somebody get the snot beat out of
them and almost kill them. That's why I'm proud.
If he would have done something bad, he
would have been violent to somebody, I say you're gonna have to take your
punishment. He didn't do anything wrong, all he did was see somebody get attacked
and he tried to help. I don't agree with every point of view that Jacob has. I know, I
don't 'cause I don't know it all yet.
I know that what he did was right. When
there's a situation where someone's in need, get involved, don't ignore it. This here is my world, OK? I go to Walmart, I do my shopping, I go
have lunch with my friends, I come home, I make sure my husband's got his clothes
washed and his supper done. I raise my children.
I don't want this to define us.
I don't want this to make us somebody that we weren't. I just want to live my life
and love my children and my family. You know we're not like that, you know
they're saying he's a Nazi and everything, did you see it on TV, too?
No, I haven't seen it. You know, Jacob's a separatist.
There's a difference, they're not learning what the difference is between a separatist and... It's not about a
black or white issue, you know how we are. It was about the statues, to start with, you know, about history, yeah. Why does
everything have to turn to white or black? That's what I don't get.
Look, we just want heritage to be preserved and see our posterity. I could promise you not
one man here was thinking, "Well I'm dying for a noble cause, trying to
protect slavery." Yes. These men were in conflict, and I think Jacob feels he's in a war in his opinion,
where maybe people are starting to radicalize against white people.
I didn't realize he had become that associated with any of these ideals or groups up
until the day that Charlottesville happened.
That's when I found out, was
Charlottesville. Me and Jacob are 10 years apart. We love each other and we
talk as much as we can, but there's been a lot of distance between us.
As me and my parents have never really seen eye-to-eye since I was probably 15.
I had had enough of religion and racism. I'm not into either one of those things.
I went to the Marine Corps at 17 and I.
Left. People like my brother that are of
a certain age, a certain mindedness already, like you might not be full of
hate but you might be a little bit racist and, you know, you think racist
jokes are funny, and you got a chip on your shoulder, and you don't have any
group that you belong to, and people that are manipulative, they seek out people to
do their biddingthat's the kind of people that run these organizations.
What we have to focus on now is Virginia, we have to focus on making sure he has the
best legal representation possible, so that he will come out of this without a
felony conviction on his record. I don't want him to do any time rather than what
he has to do before the trial. Listen, minute Jacob walked out that
house, they're getting ready to arrest him outside and they're patting him down,
but he said, "Call Billy.
Billy's the one you're supposed to call."
There is no freaking way in this whole world, all of the rest of my life, that we can
ever, ever repay you. Ever. Billy Roper has spent his entire
life championing white supremacy. He's the leader of the ShieldWall Network,
the organization Jacob is in.
You're helping me raise this man, tooyou don't
realize that, but you are. Billy has organized legal and financial resources
for the Goodwin family since Jacob's arrest. I'm an activist. I'm a true
believer.
My dad was a member of the Klan, as were both of my grandfathers.
My father was also a member of the Klan. Billy Roper is a very educated man.
Very educated. He is a quiet, respectful man. Yes.
I've never heard Billy put down
a person. Around me, it's always been, "Our race needs to take pride in itself again." Someone has to be the one
who says the most radical and extreme things, make it possible for others to
say, "Oh I may not be as extreme as Billy Roper, but, you know, he has a point."
We have been conditioned to believe that the people who call themselves Jews
today are the Israelites of the Bible, and they're not.
We've had our birthright stolen by people who are claiming to be God's
chosen people, when they are not. I don't owe a Jewish person anything, they, they
are the ones that denied Christ. All those promises that God made to the
Israelites, were made to whites because we are the true Israelites.
I'd switch places with Jacob in a second,
if I could, because Jacob is my brother. He is without a doubt one of the
most strong-minded people that I know. Willing to fight for what we are all
trying to fight for. It's all about love for our race, and love for our people, and the
advancement of our race, and the advancement of our people.
I think we
should go full Third Reich. There's so much negative connotation with all that
stuff that happened back then. Der Fuehrer showed us a way.
We need, essentially, the Fuehrer again. Someone who has to devote their life
to a single goal of a Aryan reich.
Ten years ago, whenever I would
go to a white nationalist meeting, I would be the youngest guy in the room
and it looked like it was a dying movement. Now it's just the officers.
The first time I ever heard of Billy Roper was two days after my brother was
arrested. People like Billy Roper it's people that have an agenda, and they need
other people to parrot their agenda, and they find people that are easily
manipulated, males between the age of, what, 17 to 25 that don't have a career,
don't have anything steady in their life. Like that's a pretty easy target.
Some of
these people are just out there playing dress-up with real-life consequences. That's a k--- right there. Shower time! I mean, like, I don't see any
hateful symbols anywhere around here, you know what I mean? But we actually made it a
point to not bring hateful symbols because it shouldn't be about hate, it's
more so about love. Current's moving faster than anybody can.
It's not a
fringe movement anymore. Black lives don't f------ matter! Because if they did, they wouldn't kill each other like animals in the streets of Chicago. I'm not choosing a side, I'm not gonna
choose a side. If you went to Charlottesville, you were either on the
right side, you were on the left side.
There wasn't no in-between. You were
either on this side fighting or you on this side fighting. Wish people would
give me a chance to understand that I'm not on the left side and I'm not on the
right side. I'm just a person.
I'm just a mother. We got letters that call
us horrible parents, call us Nazis, said that we taught our children nothing
but hate, that people like us deserve to die. I've never been affiliated with any group or anything. I mean why would you jump on me? I've never,
you've never seen me at a rally or a protest, ever hold up a sign.
I don't know
every view these groups have. Right. Billy said that after he talked to you? No, that's a quote of his. We said from the onset we don't agree with everything, and they're probably not gonna agree with everything we say.
But... But you know that talk right there is gonna
recruit people. We have been pushed into a situation we didn't want
to be in. We did not want to be in this situation.
I've got like a Kevlar, like a Operation Desert Storm-era one but I
like this one. Let's go ahead and get started.
My name is Billy Roper and this is a meeting of the ShieldWall Network and
we are without any equivocation a white nationalist preppers organization. For
too long, people who think like we do have only communicated online and never
developed the trust of looking someone eye to eye, shaking their hand, and becoming an
in real life friend. Don't discount our numbers, there are many more of us than
you would imagine.
When you go back after this meeting and you're online, look for
people in your area who are likeminded, or who are right-wing, or
conservative. If they can be cherry-picked and radicalized towards us.
They just need your leadership to bring them further to the right, to awaken them. I think that after hearing how the situation is going, you all understand how important it is we continue to support him, not just this legal
defense, but also his commissary, and to send him cards and letters to keep his
morale up. But also we've been raising funds through the online website and on
the 14th or thereabouts, I think his parents plan on going to visit him, so
here's $700 that've been raised online to help you guys with your travel
expenses for that.
And there'll be more coming. We're going to now talk about the
ShieldWall Phalanx, which is the defensive arm of our organization. I'd be happy to
host the Phalanx to come up and practice formations. We have, you've been
to my house, we have property, so if we need to build a bonfire and do that at
the house or whatever in the afternoon, we could do that.
So if you guys are willing
then, January the 20th at y'all's house. Is that cool? Yeah. How do you feel about your
parents becoming political? It's definitely something I never thought would happen, but it happened, so I know something great has to come out of it. We weren't involved in this before, until our son
became involved in this.
We've had to discuss race with people more in the
last four weeks than we've had in the last 15 years of our life. I mean, we
didn't walk around thinking or discussing race, it
just didn't come up in our life. I can't just sit back and do nothing now because
a lot of what these guys have told me... It's come true.
I see that they are correct. We're living in a time that I never
thought I would ever live to see in this country. Your race is on the verge
of being pushed into extinction. That's right.
I have a letter that my son wrote
that he wanted me to read to you. My dearest comrades, I write these words to
you from the darkness of a cell. My crime is being unapologetically white. Now they
aim to break our families, our belief, and our spirits, but it would be to no avail.
Our enemies know that together, each flame makes a mighty torch that expels
the darkness.
Written by Jacob Goodwin, a political prisoner. And his last words,
"Hail victory!" This fight is a good thing. We're learning that we have to recruit
in our white society. Our history will stay strong.
I just wish I had more boys
to give y'all, that's all. So that's what I did for the movement when I gave
y'all Jacob. Yeah! She said this is my son and she will stand
strong for him. And she is the sort of person that's standing for us.
So hail
victory! I don't want to watch that. No, that's not
me at all. I'm not... I don't really have anything nice to say about that at
all, or any of those people.
He's gonna be around when he gets out. He's gonna be ready with y'all. He's saying, he's ready. He's ready to fight with y'all again.
As a human being and as an Asian person, I am horrified by
the ideology of these groups. There is this woman here who clearly loves her
son, who just did a symbol that Jews around the world,
Asians around the world, minorities have spent so much time getting rid of,
get rid of. And then here I go. I was doing it just for Jacob.
I'm not there.
Jacob was there. And would Jacob do that? He would have done that as the group did it. Now I'm knowing that it's a bad thing. I
won't do it again because now I understand what you're saying it stands
up for what.
But, but for the way I was doing it, I didn't think it was a bad thing.
It's your responsibility to understand what kind of ideology... [Yes]... Your son has gotten himself
into. Billy Roper, they Google him, the first thing that comes up is the
Southern Poverty Law Center that says he is one of the biggest extremists in
America.
"Every non-White person on the planet has to become extinct." That is Billy Roper.
But I didn't know at the time. I'm finding all this stuff out after the fact, you know.
I was just born to be a mother, wasn't born to be in politics, or
understand what Hitler freakin' done, I was just born to be a mother.
And be proud of my children. Why can't I just be proud, Ed? Why? Why can't they
just let me be proud, Ed? Lots has changed since you were here last time.
I'm waiting to go
to war, you know. I was asked just to do some military drills. I'm the only guy
probably they know that's been in the military, but as far as a leadership role,
no. I'm not a leader.
They haven't changed who I am.
I still have my own mind, my own morals. For visual effect, you get 15-20
guys all dressed in the same uniform, holding shields, and their boots on a
pavement. It has a psychological effect on people. It intimidates people, and
that's basically what you want.
This was their first training, I thought they did
really good for their first training. I was proud of them. I was proud that Scott's
kind of stepped up to the plate. This is changing me, it's changing the person I
am.
Anger does make you look at things differently. You begin to say, "Look, I
don't care, I don't care how you feel about me." The only people helping my
son are these people. I could care less what you think about me because I know
me. I know who I am.
I'm done making excuses for them. I'm done giving them
the shadow of the doubt, and being, like, they're older, and blah blah blah blah blah.
Like, that's it. I don't have enough time and energy to make sure that they're on
a good life path. I don't want to be involved, don't call me, don't tell me
about it.
I love my brother, good luck! That's where I'm
at right now. I love you, good luck! Semi-monthly, training sessions will be held by Chris
and Scott for Central Arkansas. You guys will be in charge of scheduling those,
and running them, and your shifts. I think he'd be proud of his dad.
I think he is proud of his dad.
Any time they want to come here and train, I'll
feed them. I made friends. Through Jacob being in jail, I've made great friends, I've
met great people. Would you say now you're, like, fully a part of this
movement? I'm on board to support and to help.
I'm not joining it, I'm not
joining a group. Scott and I ain't joining a group. I have to fight an
unjust and an unfair world with my son, so be it. If my husband has to get out
here and train them so be it.
In the last few months, you've gotten really far into
what a lot of the world would say is a very corrosive movement. Scott is
training these people. It looks like you're going into this movement with Billy.
Just because I'm here with them, doesn't mean I agree with them.
I don't agree with some of these hard people, I
don't agree with this violence. You don't have to be violent to have a violent
ideology. I was raised to believe that Nazis were evil. They killed six million
Jews and Jehovah's witnesses.
They invaded Russia, Poland.
I wish you'd have this talk with Jacob. Did you want to say anything to Ed?
Ed's here. Hey, what's up, Ed?
Let me ask you this: what do you think of the Holocaust? Should that have happened?
The Holocaust? I believe that millions of Europeans and millions of non-whites died.
And six million Jews.
That number's up for debate. OK, but you recognize that Jews were
systematically killed in the Holocaust? I don't believe so. I believe they were
trying to develop an ethno-state. Are you thinking...
So you're telling mama,
are you telling me and Ed that you think that none of them were gassed or none
of that happened? No, I don't believe that. I've not... Ed, if you could produce one document that ties Adolf Hitler to the gas camps, or the supposed death camps, then you'd be a rich man.
Because they don't exist. In your meetings, you invoke Nazi imagery.
You'll say, "hail victory."
You have swastikas. Clearly, these are things that you romanticize. Rhino
sings and he says, "Look at that k--- right there, it is shower time for you!"
What does that mean? Do you really believe if they were systematically gassed in a shower... If you wanted to kill a whole bunch of
Jews, pile them in a room and then just shut the door, they're gonna suffocate anyway.
You don't need to drop Zyklon B on them. It makes no sense. He's not gonna debate and he's not gonna
argue...That's not his way. Y'all may not see eye-to-eye and I know you keep
bringing up the Holocaust at every, every issue that you have, and evidently it
means a lot to you, but he's going, he's gonna tell you
honestly what he thinks, he's not gonna bulls--- you.
So y'all...
But then you may have... Tamera, do you understand what he's saying, just
listening to that, do you understand what he is saying? I don't mean to be ugly,
it doesn't matter to me. It's horrible what happened to these people, but you're not
gonna change it either. Even if you're saying, it's horrible
what's happening to these people, but then Jacob just now, you heard him as
well as I did, that he...
I really wasn't, y'all were having your conversation,
I wasn't really listening. You need to listen! I don't get into it, I...
But you have to! I'm sorry, Tamera, I don't mean... It doesn't... It doesn't upset me, it doesn't because you know what?
He goes on this all the time.
Listen to your son. Your son, basically
he thinks that the Holocaust was just this accident, that we bring this up as
if it's nothing. I don't agree with that. For you to say you
don't know, is really problematic.
But what, what difference does it make to
me right now? I'm not gonna be able to change his thought, or change your
thought, I don't have a thought about it. I've heard them debate. I just... I do
just like this.
I just sit and... But you can't, you cannot do this right now. Because, you know why? Because the world is watching you..
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